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So, you want to learn about UFO whistleblowers, part 2
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items How deep does the rabbit hole go? How many rabbit holes are there? I don't have any answers, but I do have more suggestions on people who may. The UFO topic has gotten a huge amount of attention and development in the last few years. It's important t...
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Ryan Graves
Michael Herrera
2025 Congressional Witnesses
Wildcards
Ryan Graves
Ex-Navy F/A-18 pilot, witnessed daily 2014-2015 cube UAPs off East Coast, outpacing jets. Founded Americans for Safe Aerospace, testified in 2023, pushes pilot reporting laws. Questions drone or NHI origins—no hard proof.
Hear Lex probe one of the earlier times Ryan gave his account. The guy has an impressive flying background, similar to Fravor. Very practical approach.
Lex Fridman Podcast - Aug 1, 2022
Ryan shares his experiences with Joe. If you've listened to JRE, you know Joe likes a good conspiracy. Plenty of probing questions and fun speculation to be had.
The Joe Rogan Experience - Oct 18, 2022
Second JRE appearance for Ryan. Natural extension of the last conversation.
The Joe Rogan Experience - Dec 17, 2024
Of course Jesse is in on the action. Listen to how he extracts novel insights and opinions from Ryan, who's an all-around genuine guy.
American Alchemy - Dec 6, 2024
Michael Herrera
Ex-Marine, alleges 2009 Indonesia op saw 300ft UFO, linked to secret retrieval and human trafficking cover-up. Viral on Shawn Ryan’s pod, 2025 hearing mention. Consistent with Grusch, but no artifacts—smells like narrative control.
Michael's story is right on the edge of believable, in my opinion. He has compelling background and knowledge, along with some wild claims. Sean digs in.
The Sean Ryan Show - Jul 17, 2023
More unpacking of Michael's famous Indonesian encounter with one of my favorite investigative podcasters, Jesse.
American Alchemy - Mar 26, 2025
Ross brings a critical eye to Michael's story, which is still largely the same after a few years of telling it to the internet.
Reality Check - Aug 1, 2025
2025 Congressional Witnesses
Dylan Borland, Alexandro Wiggins, Jeff Nuccetelli are 3 of the witnesses who were called to testify before Congress in September. All of them have impressive backgrounds and even more impressive stories to tell.
If you're reading this in late-2025, Dylan is probably the most recent and relevant whistleblower. We met him briefly during the congressional hearing, and now his fully story is told. Highly intelligent guy.
Dylan Borland - WEAPONIZED - Sep 24, 2025
Part 2 of his conversation with Jeremy and George. Honestly, my jaw dropped a number of times. Dylan's claims carry some serious weight on a number of levels. Just, wow.
Dylan Borland - WEAPONIZED - Oct 3, 2025
Alexandro stands out because he has gone through the process of telling his story while active duty with the Navy. I'll say that again – he's ACTIVE DUTY. First of his kind.
Alexandro Wiggins - WEAPONIZED - Apr 15, 2025
Not much of a recent podcast presence from Jeff as a guest, but he did start his own podcast recently. His story involves the famous Red Square. Solid guy with a solid memory.
Jeff Nuccetelli - That UFO Podcast - Dec 6, 2023
If you have the patience for it, I encourage you to listen to the actual congressional hearing. Each of the 5 witnesses are questioned and give amazing testimony. Ross will comment now and then, but for the most part stays out of the way.
Full Congressional Hearing - Reality Check - Sep 9, 2025
Wildcards
These people help enrich the tapestry and give it some flair. You may have to suppress some eye-rolls, or you might not. Either way, expose yourself to some less-mainstream observations.
Chris has a crazy-long career in intelligence with friends in high places. He helped exfiltrate the famous Tic Tac video. Fascinating conversation with Joe.
Christopher Mellon - The Joe Rogan Experience - May 5, 2021
Another powerhouse whistleblower who was a witness in the November 13, 2024 congressional hearing.
Tim Gallaudet - The Sean Ryan Show - May 28, 2024
Here's more shocking testimony about a military guy doing his job and seeing something extraordinary. Jesse takes the challenge of trying to unpack and clarify Randy's experience for us.
Randy Anderson - American Alchemy - Jan 13, 2025
Alright, here is where things get weirder. Jason's story is eerie and almost laughable, so I challenge you to hear it as neutrally as possible. Lenval provides decent balance to the conversation with Joe.
Lenval Logan & Jason Sands - The Joe Rogan Experience - Jan 29, 2025
If it weren't for John's background, I think most of us would be inclined to dismiss his fantastic claims. The guy is pretty smart and says he saw a lot of stuff. See for yourself.
John Blitch - American Alchemy - Mar 7, 2025
Greg is another example of a seemingly normal military guy who accidentally saw something he wasn't supposed to see. I stumbled across this discussion with Jesse by accident but couldn't pause it.
Greg Rogers - American Alchemy - Aug 31, 2025